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A.R. Wilson has been interviewing actors, writers and musicians for over 20 years. In addition to TV-Eh, her work has appeared in Curve, ROCKRGRL, and Sound On Sight. A native of Detroit, she grew up watching Mr. Dressup and The Friendly Giant on CBC, which led to a lifelong love of Canadian television. Her perpetual New Year's resolution is to become fluent in French.

X Company 310: The end is nigh in “Remembrance”

After 27 episodes, CBC’s Second World War spy drama X Company comes to a powerful and moving conclusion tonight, as Aurora (Évelyne Brochu), Neil (Warren Brown) and Alfred (Jack Laskey) must turn to Faber (Torben Liebrecht) to take out Voigt (Kevin Griffiths).

Here is our preview of “Remembrance,” written by Mark Ellis & Stephanie Morgenstern, and directed by Morgenstern.

Full circle 
The finale brings the show’s concept full circle for series creators Ellis and Morgenstern. In 2001, the duo wrote and starred in a short film called Remembrance, about a man with synesthesia who is recruited into Canadian spy school Camp X by a beautiful woman. Like the film, tonight’s episode is called “Remembrance,” and also like the film, Morgenstern directs, having the opportunity to guide the characters she and Ellis created over 16 years ago on their final mission.

Morgenstern says she’s pleased with the way it all turned out—in her typically modest way.

“There aren’t any moments where I think, ‘Ah, if we could have just gone back and adjusted that or fixed that or written that differently,'” she explains. “I don’t think I’d be brazen enough to say it’s a piece of artistic perfection, but I would say I can’t think of what I would change if we had the chance or more time. I’m happy with it.”

My how they’ve grown
In a treat for long-time fans, there are several satisfying nods to Season 1 that show just how much Aurora, Neil and Alfred have grown since they first left Camp X.

Stunning work by the X Company cast
Morgenstern, a former actress, gets the most out of her cast as Évelyne Brochu, Warren Brown, Jack Laskey and Torben Liebrecht all give series-best performances. There is a scene between Brochu and Liebrecht that tops all their previous scenes combined, something I didn’t think was possible.

You will be satisfied (and teary-eyed)
After three seasons, X Company ends on a pitch-perfect note. “Remembrance” is a beautifully written, gorgeously lensed episode that was clearly made with love by all involved. A remarkable achievement.

X Company airs Wednesday at 9 p.m. on CBC.

Image courtesy of CBC.

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X Company 309: Writer Daniel Godwin breaks down “Friendly Fire”

Spoiler warning: Do not read this article until you have seen X Company Episode 309, “Friendly Fire.”

In X Company‘s penultimate episode, “Friendly Fire,” Duncan Sinclair (Hugh Dillon) bet on Franz Faber’s (Torben Liebrecht) word and lost. Desperate to rescue his POW son, the team leader agreed to turn over the blackmail tape he was holding over Faber’s head. However, during the exchange, Faber had Sinclair and Neil (Warren Brown) arrested to prove his triple-agent status to his incredulous superiors.

“The big question—and we’re starting to answer it in these last two episodes—has been, ‘Can we trust Franz Faber?’ And that answer is really starting to become clear. He’s somebody who wriggles out of those tight spots,” says episode writer Daniel Godwin.

In a fruitless attempt to help Neil escape, Sinclair chose to take his own life, giving himself up to the greater mission, and, as Godwin explains, paying for his mistakes.

“He’s definitely feeling a lot of guilt over becoming emotionally compromised by the involvement of his son, and I think he’s maybe starting to realize he was wrong about trusting Faber, and that’s what came crashing down on him,” he says.

To get us ready for next week’s series finale, Godwin joins us to break down Sinclair’s sacrifice, Faber’s double-cross and all the other plot points of the action-packed episode, including Alfred and Aurora’s long-awaited romantic interlude.

Stephanie Morgenstern directed this episode. Did that add any excitement to the assignment?
Daniel Godwin: For me, it was very cool, because it was Stephanie’s first hour of television that she’s directed, and it was a big honour. Because the first hour of television that I got to write was actually thanks to Stephanie, because she’s the creator also of Flashpoint, which was my first writing credit. So for that to come full circle and have my script be the first thing she directs for TV, how cool is that?

And her attention to detail is so impeccable, and then, of course, her experience coming from the acting and writing worlds combined with her knowledge of the show, I think it really shines through in this episode and you’ll see in the final episode even moreso. I can’t think of a more fitting director to wrap up the series, really.

I was so sad that Sinclair died, but his sacrifice made sense to the story. Why was the decision made to kill him?
That’s a good question. We talked a lot about this in the writers’ room. In fact, we talked through just about every version of these last two episodes, in terms of who would survive and the outcome of that. Going into the final season, Mark and Stephanie had a pretty clear picture of where they wanted things to end for each of our spies. And this season, we were fortunate to have such a talented writers’ room. I think we were all interested in chasing down a conclusion for Sinclair that felt the most emotionally satisfying, and so when we looked at him, Sinclair’s a guy who believes in protecting this bigger picture and this great mission. He’s definitely feeling a lot of guilt over becoming emotionally compromised by the involvement of his son, and I think he’s maybe starting to realize he was wrong about trusting Faber, and that’s what came crashing down on him.

And, you know, with his son, he’s someone who’s given so much to this war, and it felt like a fitting sacrifice for him in the end for Neil just to have a chance of escaping. And it kind of sets the stakes of where these guys are at and the reality of that, and that’s why it was just such a tragic conclusion when Neil was recaptured at the end there.

For me, actually writing that final Sinclair scene was really tough. I’ve known Hugh since back on Flashpoint and killing a main character like that, unfortunately—or fortunately—I’ve never had the pleasure of doing before. So getting to write that was such a privilege. And if anyone is a fan of Flashpoint, for me, I wanted to play with that final scene a bit. I wrote it as sort of an anti-Flashpoint moment. Normally, at that point, Hugh would be the one trying to talk down the guy with the gun, so it was a lot of fun getting to reverse those roles and take him to that really dark place.

And what about William? I’d hate to think both of Sinclair’s sons died.
Well, you may want to tune in next week!

Faber faced a nightmare version of This Is Your Life, when his superiors laid out all his inconsistent actions since Season 1. It was fascinating to see him get out of it, but he turned on Sinclair to do it.
Faber is one of my favourite characters to write for. Torben, in particular, does such a great job at bringing him to life, too. The big question—and we’re starting to answer it in these last two episodes—has been, ‘Can we trust Franz Faber?’ And that answer is really starting to become clear. He’s somebody who wriggles out of those tight spots, and that’s where we like seeing that character when his back is against the wall. And, you know, at the end of 308 when he revealed he’s a triple agent, it’s all starting to catch up to him. And, for me, I loved just kind of pinning him with all those questions, especially this being the penultimate episode, seeing him sit down and have to answer about all these lies and all these things that he’s stacked up over the last three seasons and just picking at those scars and those scabs, and I think truth is really catching up to him. And for the first time, I think we’re starting to see Faber for maybe who he truly is, and he’s starting to realize it, that he’s a pawn in this much larger game.

I can’t decide if I think Faber should die for his sins or be forced to live with his actions.
That’s what we talked about in circles for days and days and days. Which is a sign, I think, that you’re on to something good, when you can inspire those conversations and those thoughts.

It was so much fun to see Krystina out in the field. She was so in charge with Manfred, and it was wonderful to see her alongside the rest of the team.
Well, Lara Jean is such a great actress, and think we were all dying to see her in the field properly and have Sinclair make good on his promises of getting in the field. I really liked how we revealed that, too, without making a huge deal about it. We just pick her up, and she’s in Berlin, helping to set up a mission just like any other team member. And like you said, watching her in action with the team, alongside them, like I would watch an entire Krystina spin-off series.

Now that Sabine knows the truth about her father’s beliefs, she seems ready to fully embrace her autonomy and start standing on her own. What can we expect from her in the finale?
I think you’re definitely on the right track there. I think Sabine is someone who’s been told how to act and told what to do her whole life, and you see that coming from her husband and from her father and the spies are telling her what to do. And her awakening has really been in full force this season, with the bullet holes she saw in the clothing, and she’s really starting to open her eyes to what’s going on. And now with Ania during that air raid in this episode, that moment where she starts comforting that girl, I think she’s starting to notice that she’s playing a part in this whether she wants to or not, and she’s more powerful than she knows. So she’s got some choices to make, coming up, to separate her from the people who are controlling her and telling her what to do.

When we last spoke to you, you were worried fans would hate you because you broke up Aurora and Alfred, but you got the chance to make amends in this episode. Are you happy with the way that payoff played out?
So happy. Again, that was such a long arc in the making, so I think it concluded in such a great way. And for Alfred and Aurora, they’ve been resisting this for so long for all the same reasons that Sinclair has been fighting, for that bigger picture, the mission, the duty of it all, that kind of thing. And for both of them in this episode, the reality is setting in that they’re behind enemy lines, and this is an incredibly dangerous mission, and they both know that they could die at any moment. They’ve seen that with Harry and everything leading up to this moment, but I think that even on a deeper level, what’s happening with Aurora is that she’s questioning those orders in that bigger mission now. Because what she just did on ‘The Hunt,’ that insane episode, she’s starting to lose sight of who she is and what she’s doing, and our season theme of becoming the enemy is really ringing true for her. So, meanwhile, in this storm of the air raid, it’s Alfred with his perfect memory who’s able to remind her of exactly who she is. And Evelyne and Jack just played it so beautifully, and I think people watching that moment feel the same as Alfred and Aurora do, because if it’s not now, when? How are we gonna do this? Yeah, that moment really paid off in a great way.

Neil was captured at the end of the episode. How’s he going to get out of that jam?
We know Neil’s pretty strong. He’s always been one of our strongest team members, so we do have a plan. You’re in good hands. Keep watching, and I think everyone will be pretty happy with how things all go.

So everything comes down to the anniversary party with Voight. What can viewers expect from the finale?
I think it’s a really strong episode of X Company. It’s a really fitting way to say goodbye. It’s glamorous, there’s action, there’s plenty of emotion and so many turns. I think people are going to be really surprised at how everything shakes out and where it all goes. And I think you’re going to feel very satisfied. I think it’s a very fitting conclusion to the series.

This was your last episode of X Company. In 20 years, what do you think you’ll remember most about your time on the show?
I think for me, I’m just really proud of what we accomplished in three seasons. It’s been such an honour to be able to tell these stories and to write such compelling characters for the brilliant actors that we have and to be able to shoot in historic European locations and just working with Mark and Stephanie again. I’m so thankful to them for creating such an amazing series and just letting me be part of it. I think that’s what I’ll remember the most.

X Company airs Wednesday at 9 p.m. on CBC.

Images courtesy of CBC.

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X Company’s Livia Matthes on Sabine’s journey to autonomy

When X Company‘s Livia Matthes was growing up in Berlin, she saw bullet holes scarring the walls of many buildings she passed, daily reminders of the toll the Second World War took on Germany. Meanwhile, in school, she learned about the toll Nazism took on the world.

“In Germany, we have the most Third Reich education in the world,” she explains. “We start in third grade, and until 13th grade, we have Nazi education each month. We learn a lot from the time we are small children, so I know a lot about that topic.”

However, even with her background, Matthes found her character Sabine—Franz Faber’s sheltered wife—a little mysterious when she first landed the part.

“There is no material on the wives of Nazi officers,” she says. “There’s nothing, it’s really crazy. So basically, it was an empty page.”

Matthes and the show’s writers have taken that empty page and created one the show’s most compelling characters. Over three seasons, viewers of the CBC spy drama have seen Sabine grow from an isolated mother trying to hide her disabled son, Ulli, from the Nazis to a woman being manipulated by everyone around her to a woman who is ready stand on her own.

As this week’s episode, “Friendly Fire,” begins, Sabine is still reeling from her father’s revelation he believes Ulli was “a parasite.” But Matthes says that painful blow is the final step in Sabine’s journey to autonomy.

“After that conversation, there’s just really no one left she can trust anymore, and basically she has nothing to lose anymore,” she says. “So she will take her life into her own hands and just do what she feels is right and follow her own heart.”

Matthes—who has multiple German TV and film credits and recently popped up in the Netflix series Sense8—joins us by phone from Brazil to give us more insights into Sabine and tell us what she loved most about working on X Company.

How did you become involved in X Company?
Livia Matthes: I had auditioned for another part and then a couple of months later, I received an email that I didn’t get that part, but they would like to propose to me the part of Sabine. So I prepared myself because there wasn’t much information for her, and I really read a lot of books and watched a lot of film.

Then when we all met again in Budapest to shoot Season 2, Mark and Steph told me that they really liked what I did and wanted to know more about Sabine and explore that part more. Then she became a constant character on the show.

What were your first thoughts on Sabine?
When I did research, I couldn’t find anything. There are no documentations, there are no articles, there is nothing if you search the Internet or go to the library. There is no material on the wives of Nazi officers. There’s nothing, it’s really crazy. So basically, it was an empty page. I could interpret her how I wanted to, or how I thought a Nazi woman would be. But in this case, I personally think she is not a typical Nazi woman. Yes, she’s the wife of a Nazi officer, but she doesn’t know what he does, she doesn’t know much about the whole system, she was basically kept in a golden cage. She had to break with all of her friends and neighbours because no one was allowed to know she had a disabled child, and she kept him. They were not allowed to keep a disabled child; they were all sent to the camps, where they did experiments and then killed the children. So it was really interesting for me, the human part. In the beginning, she and Faber never talk about politics, they only talk about personal stuff. Only later, when she wants to be included in all the decisions, that they talk about politics and about life outside.

Ulli’s death was one of the most poignant storylines X Company has ever done. How difficult was that for you to portray?
It was so hard and emotional. I tried to prepare myself psychologically, how the person must feel in that moment. It’s just really insane. I think it was more Faber who decided to kill Ulli, because Sabine’s the mother. I don’t think she would have given up so quickly on rescuing or saving him. Maybe she would have tried to run away at night, do what a lot of Nazi people did, try to escape on a boat to Argentina or Brazil or whatever. But she was a wife, so the man back in those days had all the power to make the final decision, and she couldn’t come up quick enough with an alternative.

Sabine’s Season 2 storyline with Aurora became a fan favourite. Did you have any idea their friendship would be so popular? 
Nooooo. [Laughs.] I didn’t expect it at all, but it was so cool. I loved it. It was super-cool. It was a pleasure personally to play that and also for Sabine, because Aurora was basically the first person since she had her disabled child, that she could create a friendship with. Because basically, she didn’t have friends for years. So, for her, Aurora was a very, very special person, the first person she could open up to, because between the Fabers, they don’t really open up—well, they do at the end—but they don’t really talk about their feelings. They hide them from each other. So Aurora was the first person in a very long time that Sabine could open up to.

Did you have fun shooting those scenes with Évelyne Brochu?
Yeah, we did. We were all in Budapest, so it was like a school trip with work, because we all didn’t live there, and so we became a film family. We only had each other. We would help each other learning lines before really large or difficult scenes, we would meet the night before together and help out each other with all the accents. We would try them out and help each other, so it was really fun. And I think also because the topic of X Company is so heavy and sad and full of fear and tears that, I guess, you need another extreme to balance it, you know? So we all had a lot of fun, and I think that was necessary to keep the balance because the psychology was very heavy.

The Fabers’ marriage has been a very difficult one, but Sabine has been making an effort to get closer to Franz after finding the bullet holes in that dress a few episodes ago. What is the state of their relationship going into Episode 309?
Right now, the relationship between them is starting to get really interesting because, since the death of Ulli, there’s been an invisible wall [between them]. I think Sabine couldn’t forgive Faber for killing him, or for not trying to do something else before killing him, so she erected a wall between him and her heart. And right now, coming into the final episodes, now that she’s emancipated herself from Faber and from her father, from just everyone, they open up in the relationship. Faber couldn’t tell her what he’s up to in order to save her and thinking she wouldn’t understand what he’s doing, but now they’re together in the same boat. Now that she’s discovered the atrocities of the Nazis, and she’s decided that she wants to help as well, I think he tries to see her with different eyes, and their relationship starts to get interesting.

What was it like working with Torben Liebrecht?
Torben is really cool. He’s like an acting monster. He’s a really great actor. In real life, he’s super nice, and he’s one of the funniest people I know. Even right before the take, we’d joke about stuff and then all of the sudden it’s ‘Action!’ and we both become those very different characters. It was really fun, and it was a big jaunt to act with him because it’s really intense to act with him. Then when they yell ‘Cut!’ it’s all jokes again. It was really quite a strong contrast. I really enjoyed it.

Sabine has been very close to her father, but in last week’s episode, he threatened to ‘dispose’ of Ania and revealed that he thought Ulli was a ‘parasite’ and an ‘aberration.’ Where does that leave Sabine?
It’s horrible for her because he was basically the last person in the world she could trust. She can’t trust Aurora anymore, she can’t trust her husband anymore, and right now she’s getting to know who her dad really is. Of course, he’s a loving father, but she’s emancipating herself and becoming her own woman and having her own brain and starting to think about herself, instead of only taking the opinions of her father figure or Faber’s opinions. And now she sees who he really is, and it’s the closest person in her life, so it’s horrible for her. It’s horrible to know what he thinks. And after that conversation, there’s just really no one left she can trust anymore, and basically, she has nothing to lose anymore. So she will take her life into her own hands and just do what she feels is right and follow her own heart because everyone around her, through her eyes, is just crazy.

 

Can you give any hints about what will happen with Sabine in the final two episodes? 
No, I can’t! [Laughs.] But what I can say is really what I just said. She will follow her heart, her instincts, and she will do what she thinks is right no matter what.

Did you learn anything new about the war from playing Sabine? 
For me, what was personally very interesting is to get into the head of a German person at that time. Because Berlin is a super international city now, I grew up amongst people from all around the world, and it was the most normal thing. So to enter into the head of a person who lived during that time, the big personal question is, ‘How could the Nazis and the Third Reich even happen?’ And if you enter the head of, let’s say, a typical person who is not very political at the time and try to see it through her eyes, it changed my view a bit. Because it’s easy to say nowadays, ‘Ah, you should have done something straight away.’ But back in the day, the whole Nazi machine is everywhere. It’s the neighbours, it’s the people you work with, it’s the pregnant women [in Episode 307] who only talk about babies [for the Reich], it’s throughout your family, it’s everywhere. The whole Nazi machine is so present. And in Sabine’s case, she’s not politically active, she doesn’t have political knowledge. Where would she start to do something against it without risking her own life? It changed my view on how hard it was to be a resistance fighter or to do something against the Nazi machine.

What did you enjoy most about working on X Company?
I don’t know if there would be just one thing. It’s all a mix because it really was a trip. For me, shooting those very emotional scenes. It was hardcore, but it was also the best acting school I could have. So playing Sabine, but also being with that crew. Everyone was so passionate about what they do. We worked together in one boat and worked together for the same bigger goal, and we would help each other, help each other running lines. It was that mix of a very emotional Sabine character put together with that incredible crew in beautiful, beautiful Budapest.

X Company airs Wednesdays at 9 p.m. on CBC.

Images courtesy of CBC.

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X Company 309: Sacrifices are made in “Friendly Fire”

The penultimate episode of CBC’s outstanding Second World War spy drama, X Company, has finally arrived, and with it the directorial debut of series co-creator Stephanie Morgenstern. The action-packed instalment sees Sinclair (Hugh Dillon) and Krystina (Lara Jean Chorostecki) travel to Berlin to help the team assassinate Voight, the scientist who could win the war for the Nazis.

Episode writer Daniel Godwin promises that viewers are in for a treat with Morgenstern at the helm.

“Her attention to detail is so impeccable, and then, of course, her experience coming from the acting and writing worlds, combined with her knowledge of the show, I think really shines through in this episode,” he says.

Here is our spoiler-free preview of “Friendly Fire.”

“Action Krystina” is back
We got a taste of Krystina’s spy skills when she nabbed Scubaman earlier in the season, and this second peek has us clamouring for more. Krystina spin-off? Yes, please.

Can Faber be trusted?
You will likely have a better idea after this episode.

This is a huge Sinclair episode
Which means it’s a huge Hugh Dillon episode. Enjoy.

Alfora forecast
Classified.

The table is set for the final episode of the series
Some penultimate episodes outshine the finale by stealing all the action or resolving storylines too soon, but the major events of “Friendly Fire”—and there is at least one true stunner—are thrilling and emotional while upping the stakes for next week’s “Remembrance.” Kudos to Godwin and Morgenstern.

X Company airs Wednesdays at 9 p.m. on CBC.

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X Company 308: Writer Julie Puckrin delivers “Naqam”

Spoiler warning: Do not read this article until you have seen X Company Episode 308, “Naqam”

The title of this week’s X Company was “Naqam,” which means “to avenge” in Hebrew. That concept couldn’t have been more fitting, as Aurora (Évelyne Brochu) was able to dish out some cold justice on Heidi (Madeleine Knight) after she discovered Aurora was a spy. The epic showdown ended with our protagonist spitting the stunning line, “Heidi, I want you to know you were killed by a Jew.”

Julie Puckrin, who co-wrote the episode with showrunners Mark Ellis and Stephanie Morgenstern, admits the dialogue made her a bit nervous.

“It was one of those things where I was like, ‘This is either a great line or a horrible line,'” she says. “And then we were all like, ‘Yeah, I think that’s where we’ve gotta go with it.'”

Aurora wasn’t the only one who was outed as a spy. Faber (Torben Liebrecht) also had to do some quick thinking after his aide, Edsel (Basil Eidenbenz), turned him in to Obergruppenführer Schmidt (Morten Suurballe).

As we barrel toward  X Company‘s series finale, Puckrin joins us to tell us more about Aurora’s battle with Heidi, Edsel’s relationship with Faber and give us a few hints about the final two episodes.

Unlike Episode 306, you co-wrote this script with Mark Ellis and Stephanie Morgenstern. Was the process of co-writing much different than writing solo?
Julie Puckrin: Well, Mark and Stephanie are the showrunners, so we’re always writing to their taste and to their sensibility, and your goal is always to give them what they want. So in some ways, it was really great because I was working even closer with them. It was cool to be closer to their process, and it was cool to be writing the draft with them, because I was like, ‘This is great! I know that this is what they want because we’re doing it together.’ It was actually my first co-write. I’d always written on my own before. But they’re very collaborative and really generous and just great people to write with, so I felt very lucky.

This episode continued the parallel paths of Aurora and Faber, in that they were both exposed as spies.
We start the season with this whole idea of whether Faber can be trusted, and Faber is an interesting character because, first and foremost, he’s a survivor. He certainly has morals, but when push comes to shove, it’s always about protecting his family and protecting himself. And this was the time when we were like, ‘If he’s going to become a double agent, he’s really going to have to be put to the test.’ What does it look like when, as a double agent, this guy is exposed? What is he going to do, and is that going to destroy everything for our spies, who at this point have kind of been lulled into a sense of security with him and feeling like they have this mutual trust?

We know that Heidi has seen Aurora and Faber together, and so we love the idea that Aurora is the first one to feel pressure, and the team thinks that she is going to be exposed, and so all of our efforts are on saving Aurora and protecting Aurora, and nobody even sees this blindside with Faber coming because it’s coming from this innocuous source, which is Edsel.

Edsel seemed very torn, but he swore his loyalty to Faber in the end. Will that come into play in the final episodes?
I think it’s hard for him, and it’s interesting because Edsel was a character who was raised in Hitler Youth, and that was part of the culture that you inform on your colleagues, that you self-police. We see that idea of the Hitler Youth in both Edsel and Heidi and where they are now, and that idea of self-policing and being raised that way in a sort of culture of suspicion and paranoia, and I think it’s really hard for Edsel because he’s been looking at Faber as this father figure for him, and yet he’s been torn between everything he’s been raised with and this man who is actually the closest thing to a parent he has.

I think if we had more seasons, Edsel is someone who we would have wanted to explore a lot more. Because in some ways, we think of him as someone who’s like Faber was when he was starting out, and you’re sort of watching how someone becomes involved in this, and how someone loses their sense of right and wrong, and how your morality starts to become a little slippery and almost conditional. The question that we always come back to is, ‘How could people do these things?’ ‘How could people be part of these things?’ And Edsel was another way into exploring that and how these things become normalized.

While Faber was dealing with Edsel and Schmidt, Aurora was fighting off Heidi. I must admit that while I was afraid for Aurora, I almost felt sorry for Heidi because she was so overmatched in the end. 
Heidi was a character that we were all interested in exploring right from the beginning of the season. I think Sandra [Chwialkowska] mentioned when you talked to her last week that the image of the hunt was something that we really, really wanted to get to, and we knew that once we’d gone there, we had to pay that off big time. I think that where we get to with Heidi is very satisfying, but it’s interesting that you said that you almost felt bad for her, because in a way that’s a great compliment. We took this character who is quite villainous and does some really horrific things, and the question we always had was, ‘How do we make her human?’ Because no one is ever just a monster; everyone is complex. And we hate Heidi, we hate her and she’s an awful person, and yet we kind of understand her. I mean, you certainly don’t understand the things that she wants to do, but when she’s talking to Aurora about what it was like to be in the girls’ equivalent to the Hitler Youth, you sort of start to realize the things that this kid was raised with, the level of brainwashing is horrifying. But I think it also makes you have a little bit of pity.

And the fact that Heidi was a woman fighting for her place in an office full of men also made her more relatable to me, evil as she was.
Oh, my gosh, yes. We absolutely felt that way. It just happened this season that the writers’ room had a lot more women than men, which was great, and we could all totally relate to that aspect of Heidi, that in wartime there’s opportunity to craft boundaries and advance yourself and improve your situation, and Heidi was going to take advantage of that. When we were doing research into these women that were working for the Nazis and doing a lot of these things, often that was the case. These were opportunities that they never, ever would have had in the rest of their life, and you kind of see why that would be seductive, to have the movement and the freedom and the autonomy to achieve things. So it’s tricky, because you understand where she’s coming from, but the things she’s using that power to do are pretty horrifying.

It was interesting to me that Faber had to talk his way out of his jam, but Aurora had to talk and physically fight her way out. Was that intentional?
That fight scene between Heidi and Aurora was obviously super-duper physical and very difficult to film and very emotional. I think we had to go there with Aurora. I mean, everything that she’s done has been quite raw and quite visceral, and it’s interesting because looking at Faber’s journey, it’s often been these dramatic chess moves, but with Aurora, it’s been these visceral gut punches of things that she’s had to do, so it’s kind of interesting to see how things are going down with Faber and Schmidt are almost very civilized, and then what’s happening between Aurora and Heidi is so violent and quite primal.

Aurora tells Heidi, ‘I want you to know that you were killed by a Jew.’ Was that line written early in the planning stages for Season 3?
Absolutely. It’s introduced in Season 1 that Aurora’s grandfather is Jewish, so it was something that we all had in the back of our mind when we’re seeing these scenes in Poland. It’s obviously a horrible, horrible thing to happen to anyone, but Aurora has this extra personal connection to what’s happening. And it’s funny, but when we were breaking the episode, we came up with that line, and I think the first time that I said it I was like, “Oh, I don’t know if this is too far, but ‘I want you to know you were killed by a Jew.'” And it was one of those things where I was like, ‘This is either a great line or a horrible line.’ And then we were all like, ‘Yeah, I think that’s where we’ve gotta go with it.’

You know, it’s Aurora’s job as a spy to have to kill Heidi, but I think it is also this tremendous catharsis, which is what the title was inspired by because it means revenge. Obviously, there is no revenge that was going to right those wrongs, but it is a very satisfying moment, hopefully, for the audience.

Meanwhile, Sabine agrees to take Ania after her father threatens to have her ‘disposed’ of and calls Ulli things like a ‘parasite’ and an ‘aberration.’ That scene was all the more horrible because it was so subdued.
The actor who plays Schmidt, Morten [Suurballe], is a really fantastic actor. It’s a powerful scene, and the things that he’s saying have to be handled quite carefully, otherwise he could seem really arch. In the whole season leading up to it, I think we’ve never questioned that he loved his daughter. I think we’ve seen glimmers of where he has been a good father, and he’s certainly a scary man, but you’ve seen him as human. And this scene is the moment where we really see what is going on here, and I think in another actor that may not have been handled as well, but he just really delivered a wonderful performance that was both chilling but also really believable, which was terrifying. And also at the beginning of the exchange, when Sabine first brings Ania, he’s quite loving with the child. He’s sort of this happy grandfather and then it just switches, and it’s a very believable flip, and a very scary flip.

When Schmidt was talking about Ulli, as an American, I couldn’t help but think about the fact I have a president who openly mocked a disabled reporter and think of the rising nationalism in the U.S. Does it shock you how relevant the storylines on X Company still are today?
I think it really is shocking. I remember thinking, ‘It’s so important for us to tell these stories.’ And I remember thinking how lucky we are in this age of technology, in this age of access to information, that we can hear stories of the kinds of things that happened. We can hear stories of the kinds of things that happened and hear them in people’s own words, we can read their memoirs, we can see documentaries of people telling their own stories . . . But you certainly never think that it’s going to be a relevant comment on the world as it is today. You hope it’s never going to be quite as relevant as it has become. So that has been an interesting shift to go from working on something and feeling like it’s important to tell these stories to now feeling like it is more important now than ever to tell these stories. And also a certain sense of dismay that people are repeating this history or maybe not learned the lessons that you had hoped we would have taken from them.

What will Sabine do now?
I think we’ve been talking about Sabine’s journey through the whole season, and she has reached critical mass now. There’s no going back for her now, which I think is going to be very exciting to see.

And what about poor Alfred and Aurora? Will these two ever find a moment of peace together?
It’s so hard because I believe their feelings for each other are true and that they love each other, but you just keep watching the war throw obstacle after obstacle between them. I think certainly she’s the reason he keeps going, and I think he has become the reason that she keeps going. So in a weird way, they are each other’s greatest strengths, but also in a position to do the most damage to each other emotionally.

What’s going to happen now that Faber has Sinclair’s son?
It was such a small plant early in the first couple of episodes when Alfred confides that Sinclair has a son, and he does it to try to help bring Sinclair and Faber to the table so they can relate to each other. And then when Sinclair has the tape of Faber, Faber feels pushed and he says, ‘Let’s find Sinclair’s son,’ and it’s been five or six episodes since we’ve seen that. And now Faber is backed into a corner, and he’s got one trump card and he’s going to play it. I think this is the moment when we are perhaps most afraid of him.

X Company airs Wednesdays at 9 p.m. on CBC.

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