Roger Cross is no stranger to playing cops. Over his nearly 30-year career, he’s been cast as just about every type of police officer, detective andÂ special agent imaginable. However, Detective Donovan McAvoy, his character on CBC’s Coroner, is a little bit different from the others.
“I think itâ€™s his flaws [that set him apart],” says Cross. “You learn that he might have been married once or twice, and you learn that he kind of left his old neighbourhood. He tried helping, but, for him, it was like, â€˜Well, some people donâ€™t want the help. Why am I going to bash my head against a rock? Iâ€™ll leave it alone.â€™”
That situation was the focus of last week’s timely and poignant episode, “Confetti Heart,” in which coroner Jenny Cooper (Serinda Swan) led an inquest into a questionable police shooting involving McAvoy’s community.Â According to Cross, the events of the episode “allow [McAvoy’s]Â path to confront him, and when that happens, heâ€™s like, â€˜OK, you know what? Maybe the fight is worth it.'”
We called Cross in Los Angeles to learn what this change of attitude might mean for McAvoy going forward and to find out what’s coming up for him in Monday’s new episode, “The Suburbs,” and beyond.
First of all, it looks like Coroner is doing very well in Canada and the UK. How does it feel to be involved in another hit?
Roger Cross: It feels great. You know, you do these things in a bubble, and you do your best and you hope for the best. And the only thing you can control is your intent and what you do on the day, and then you put it out to the people and you see how they respond. All and all, the executives on down, everyone kept watching the dailies as it came along, and they all kept saying great things, and youâ€™re like, â€˜OK, thatâ€™s good, but letâ€™s see when it gets out there what people really think.â€™ And itâ€™s lived up to it. Itâ€™s a bona fide hit, so itâ€™s great. Itâ€™s very fulfilling.
Episode 6 was very timely as well as being politically and emotionally charged. How did you feel about it?
RC: It was a very touching story because it delved into a child getting killed. And wrong or right, good or bad, a child is dead, and how do we prevent these sorts of things from happening again in the future?Â
I think itâ€™s a story that needs to be told. Itâ€™s like the old clichÃ©, if you bury your head in the sand, itâ€™s not going to make the world go away. So pretending that there arenâ€™t these bad cops out there is not going to make things go away. Yes, people have this ideal where theyâ€™d like to think that our cops are here as protectors and that theyâ€™re here to take care of us and theyâ€™re here to enforce the law, itâ€™s for the people and all that sort of thing. But the reality is there are some bad cops out there and some people who should not have badges. Just like with anything, there are some people who, when they have power, whether it be at work or as cops and things like that, they abuse it. And those are the people we need to get rid of and allow the good people to do their job. Because the good cops donâ€™t want these people in there. They would rather these cops be gone as well. They make them all look bad, and then people start painting them with the same brush.
A funny story, I did a police ride-along when I was in Calgary doing a movie. And this cop and I went out on this ride-along, and they were selling t-shirts to raise money to buy a helicopter. I wanted to buy one of the t-shirts, but I only had large bills on me, and he was like, ‘Oh, letâ€™s just stop somewhere and grab some change.’ We go to this hotel, and I wonâ€™t say the name of the hotel, but it was a very fancy hotel. We pull up in front of the lobby, and this cop and I get out of the car, talking and laughing, and we walk into the lobbyâ€”and the whole place went quiet. It was silent. We walked to the counter and I asked them to break down a $100 bill for me, and they did. But when we left, the cop was like, ‘That was really weird.’ And I was like, ‘Yes, but sometimes there are people who think itâ€™s weird to see a black guy and a police officer getting along and talking.’ It shocked everyone. It was literally like out of a movie how quiet this big, busy hotel lobby went.
And this [police officer] was honestly a great guy. We talked about family, we talked about everything and we were getting along, and he said, ‘You know, now when some of these guys give me the side-eye and a dirty look as I drive by, Iâ€™ll understand it a little more. But it doesnâ€™t make it right.’ And itâ€™s true. Both sides are angry at each other, both sides have those misconceptions of each other, and mistrust is the biggest thing. But we both have to come together and say, OK we both have faults, but it doesnâ€™t make doing the wrong thing right. So I think the episode was very timely, and it could be a conversation starter.
The other thing McAvoy has been dealing with is Jenny’s decision to re-open all those old coroner cases. Why isn’t he onboard with that decision?
RC: Because, for him, there might have been one or two things that were messed up, there may have been one or two cases where they didnâ€™t handle it properly, but by and large, it was handled very well. And so whatâ€™s sheâ€™s done now, as we see in Episode 5, is people like this murderer [Gerald Henry Jones], heâ€™s got money and now his lawyer is like, â€˜Well, now youâ€™ve called everything into question. I want all these things thrown out.â€™ Without this forensic evidence, criminals are going to walk free, and sheâ€™s allowing this to happen without even knowing what sheâ€™s doing. Heâ€™s like, â€˜OK, we missed a few things.’ Because these cops handle a lot of cases, so yes, one or two will fall by the wayside. But whatâ€™s sheâ€™s done is just open a can of worms. The genie is out of the bottle and it will not go back in.
Why is the thought of Gerald Henry Jones getting out of prison so scary?
RC: Because heâ€™s a sociopath and feels he has a right to kill these people who he thinks are less than human, less desirable to be around. And a guy like that, who is very smart and was almost impossible to put awayâ€”we barely found enough evidence to get him convicted on this one murder, much less this other series of murders which we know he did but cannot proveâ€”if the evidence gets thrown out, this man is going to walk the streets. And you know heâ€™s going to do this again. Heâ€™s going to find a way to quell his desires if you will.
What can we look forward to seeing from McAvoy over the last two episodes of the season?Â
RC: I think youâ€™ll see a rekindling of that younger detective that, when he came there, wanted to set things right. His fire gets rekindled, the passion that he had. Because he was calling it in a little sometimes. Just like with anything else you do for a while, you look at a [crime] scene and go, â€˜Oh, that was a murder,â€™ or â€˜That was a hanging.â€™ You make judgments based on your experience, and you dig past the surface if something doesnâ€™t look right, but youâ€™re not looking too hard for that. Whereas, when you first [get on the job], youâ€™re like, â€˜Oh, we gotta do this, and we gotta break it down, and we have to go through everything in detail, and then weâ€™ll find out what happened.â€™ And heâ€™ll get a rekindling of thatâ€”but his personal life wonâ€™t get better yet.
What would you like to see happen with McAvoy if there is a Season 2?
RC: Maybe straighten out his personal life a little bit.Â
You’ve been in so many good TV series over the years. If you could bring one show back and continue the story, which one would you choose?
RC: Oh, thatâ€™s a tough one. But, you know, I loved Continuum. From top to bottom, everyone we worked with, it was like a family atmosphere there. And the Travis Verta character, he had so much more to do. He was a character who could just continue to grow and find his humanity. At a point, we saw that heâ€™d lost a lot of his life and heâ€™s learned things, and that story had a lot more to tell. And even 24 would be a blast to do again. That show was great and had so much potential. But if I had to choose only one, Iâ€™d probably say Continuum.
CoronerÂ airs Mondays at 9 p.m. on CBC and CBC Gem.
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